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Seeking Development: Trust Levels / Circles of Trust

Bud

Facula: The Bright Spot
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For anyone who has been on a Zoom/video call with me to discuss the forum, you've heard me elaborate on my concern regarding privacy and security when it comes to certain information one reveals about themself to others in general, but specifically online.

Some of the basic rules of traditional prepping are that you:
  • do not tell anyone else you are a prepper
  • don't tell anyone else what you have, and
  • don't tell them where you and your supplies are located.
The issue is that some/many Observers have bypassed the traditional prepping mindset (arguably more of a lone-wolf strategy) and proceeded straight to the find-a-tribe mindset. While that can be good (no mindset to break) it also means one could be too trusting and reveal too much.

This is one of the reasons I backed away from publicly viewable introduction threads. But this needs to be taken another step further.

Enter what I am currently calling either Trust Levels or Circles of Trust

DISCLAIMER: I'm going to directly refer to SKAN in this context - but only from a perspective of raising awareness in general. I respect SKAN for what they have accomplished. Remember - we decided to keep this site free so that there is "no skin in the game" or any "bruised egos" if something else better comes along, or if people choose not to join here. No battles intended - we all have to work together. I do, however, have issue with the Circle platform and the forum software module they use, but that is a completely different discussion - which also may be limiting their ability to implement what describing below. Who knows, maybe we'll all join forces someday - I welcome that, so I want to keep the air clean.


I noticed on SKAN that recently they made a change to the Profiles, allowing people to enter all kinds of information about themselves. While this is great, I believe that caution should be taken with the information shared. Anyone can pay $120/year and view all that information. I just don't feel that is safe and secure, but it's also under your discretion.

I plan to seek development of a custom Xenforo addon which allow one to set Trust Levels associated with various levels of detail about themselves that they are willing to share online with other users.

To start, here is the built-in method for adding custom fields (screenshot below of the section of the Xenforo Admin Control Panel for creating Custom User Fields). I'm not wanting to change this - I'm just showing this so others understand what is possible with this software out-of-the-box in this regard.

XF Custom User Fields.webp

If you already have registered, you may not have seen changes that I already made to the registration process using this tool. Try logging out, then try to register a new account. You will see additional fields. While logged, in, go to your Account Details and you'll see these fields (empty, if added after you registered).

I can add similar field to what SKAN has added, which only takes a few hours to implement, configure, and test. I do plan on doing this, but only for Trust Level 1 (the outermost circle of trust). I am hesitant to add these fields until the trust levels are established, as I do not want anyone to add "too much information". At the same time, I'm not trying to create a nanny state here - live in peril if you wish!

My concept is this:

Each topic would allow users to enter multiple levels of information, with each level being a deeper Trust Level / Circle.

Level 0 - not really a level. No user information (except for your Username) is visible to anyone who does not have a registered user account.
Level 1 - visible to Registered users
Level 2 - visible to Verified users
Level 3 - visible to Certified users (I just made that up - could be someone with X number of people vouching for them? something like that)
Level 4 - visible to Tribal Leaders
Level 5 - visible to Your Tribe (optional: all members of all tribes)
Level 6 - visible to your only those you manually select

For each field of profile information, you can choose how much detail you wish to reveal.

The level system would have a default method for who sees what (the "visible to X" groups).
Potentially, but more complicated: If the default method wasn't to your liking, you could override that system and manually choose a level for each individual member.

This could be taken to another level with Locations and the Member Map system. This is where this concept shines on a critical pathway that is very specific to Observers and adheres strongly with the traditional Prepper mindsets previously mentioned.

Users could granularly apply locations that are more and more precise with each level. Such as:

Level 1 - country
Level 2 - area (midwest, northeast, etc, allow multiple for people who are in crossover territories)
Level 3 - State / province (similar to Level 2, with crossover areas allowed)
Level 4 - county or geographic section of state/province/territory
Level 5 - city
Level 6 - address

The overall grand concept of "finding your Tribe" has critical hurdles to overcome when it comes to safety, security, and trust. People should not have to choose between having to share all of their information with everyone in order to find the best Tribe for them, and sharing none of their information and being forced to do it "the hard way". There's nothing wrong with the latter, but all the current systems (that I have seen or heard of, at least) do not have anything like this incorporated.

Secondary to this are the Verification and Certification systems, which also warrant development to make sure they are robust and reliable. Those systems will be the cornerstone that makes the Trust Levels system work optimally.

Bud
 
This is a thoughful implementation. Some of the discussion at this past weeks East Coast Observer meeting was around the idea of separating the concept of regionally from tribes (i.e. any number of tribes might arise out of a regional group) - is that possible/desirable? My $0.02 is that it is desirable, but that in order to save yourself work, that distinction should be figured out before you implement this
 
If I'm understanding you correctly, your current location should not be a limiting factor on where you may end up for your forever location, right?

If implemented correctly, you could have the granular level of information on your current location, then a separate location field for your potential destination.
 
Yes. Basically (from what I've observed), various regional groups regularly advertise virtual meetups on SKAN. For the most part, all of these have been very welcoming to anyone from anywhere, regardless of where you come from. Very low bar to entry, does a lot to promote networking within the general observer community, but I wouldn't call these regional meetups tribes, which should have a higher bar to entry, probably involving some sort of screening process.

I don't know that ot would even be worth creating a separate category for regional (non-tribal) groups, but it could be? It just seemed to me that current geographic location doesn't necessarily equal tribal affiliation. In any case, I think you basically understood what I was saying.
 
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Maybe a simpler solution would be to give each regional group its own sub forum (as you already have with the East Coast crew. Does what it needs to do without creating a new security layer
 
Maybe a simpler solution would be to give each regional group its own sub forum (as you already have with the East Coast crew. Does what it needs to do without creating a new security layer
Not really, because then you just are posting information permanently (in a thread or a form, etc) and you still don't have granular control, even within that group.

So, that's only a partial solution. My concept centralizes all your info and control of that info within a user profile. So you can take it with you and make changes to who can see it globally and instantly
 
I've found a developer for this.

The will also be developing a custom Members Map addon that will work in conjunction with it
 
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